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]]> By: Steve Blumer http://steveblumer.com/5/comment-page-1#comment-6 Steve Blumer Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:09:00 +0000 http://steveblumer.com/?p=5#comment-6 great additional observation my friend. Perhaps that clarifies to some parents who feel they did not do things right because they have rebellious 20, 30, etc old "children." <br/>In another quick study on the word for old it does describe a person who is old and wise, an elder. the word old is more descriptive in quality than of a particular age. The biblical and proverbial comparision is only of someone young and someone old. Someone who is fooish is described as young. Someone who is wise is described as old. So perhaps the proverb further notes that once a person reaches a quality of wisdom, despite the age, they find that it's the same wisdom that their parents had been teaching them all along. great additional observation my friend. Perhaps that clarifies to some parents who feel they did not do things right because they have rebellious 20, 30, etc old “children.”
In another quick study on the word for old it does describe a person who is old and wise, an elder. the word old is more descriptive in quality than of a particular age. The biblical and proverbial comparision is only of someone young and someone old. Someone who is fooish is described as young. Someone who is wise is described as old. So perhaps the proverb further notes that once a person reaches a quality of wisdom, despite the age, they find that it’s the same wisdom that their parents had been teaching them all along.

]]> By: Jeff http://steveblumer.com/5/comment-page-1#comment-5 Jeff Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:01:00 +0000 http://steveblumer.com/?p=5#comment-5 Interesting stuff, Steve? I was curious about the word that get's translated as "old" does it simply mean "grown up" or does it mean "senior citizen" or "middle aged"<br/>If the latter two are correct, if "old" really means "old" and not simply "grown up" the verse almost implies we ought to expect a young adult hood period of rebellion; prodigal sons and daughters are bound to occur even with the best of parenting.<br/><br/>A completely different topic:<br/>Would you share some insight over at my blog? There's this really fascinating question that somebody brought up: why was Jesus baptized and why did Satan attack right after Jesus' baptism? I'm a little baffled by it. The link is below if you'd like to share your council. (Is it obnoxious to put a link to my blog on your blog? Just delete this comment if I'm out of line.)<br/>http://jeffsdeepthoughts.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/how-i-came-to-christ-part-ii-jesus-invades-my-life/ Interesting stuff, Steve? I was curious about the word that get’s translated as “old” does it simply mean “grown up” or does it mean “senior citizen” or “middle aged”
If the latter two are correct, if “old” really means “old” and not simply “grown up” the verse almost implies we ought to expect a young adult hood period of rebellion; prodigal sons and daughters are bound to occur even with the best of parenting.

A completely different topic:
Would you share some insight over at my blog? There’s this really fascinating question that somebody brought up: why was Jesus baptized and why did Satan attack right after Jesus’ baptism? I’m a little baffled by it. The link is below if you’d like to share your council. (Is it obnoxious to put a link to my blog on your blog? Just delete this comment if I’m out of line.)
http://jeffsdeepthoughts.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/how-i-came-to-christ-part-ii-jesus-invades-my-life/

]]> By: Steve Blumer http://steveblumer.com/5/comment-page-1#comment-3 Steve Blumer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:46:00 +0000 http://steveblumer.com/?p=5#comment-3 I don't really think any of these proverbs are necessarily what some call "promise" verses. They are not guarantees, but wise ways to live by. Life cannot be guaranteed to have certain outcomes just by following some formula or 12 steps, etc. But without some work towards the right path, with God's help, the path left alone by itself is sure to be worse.<br/>And that's the point. If it were just a "do this" and this will happen, there would be no room for free will, human depravity, faith in God, evil workings in this world, a need of a Savior. There are other proverbs that talk about planning, etc., but it is still God who directs our steps! That is crazy to think about!<br/>Another comment about "godly parents whose children just have no desire to follow the path that they have directed for them." Sometimes a parents desire and what should be expected is quite different. Rather than desiring a child to never do the "big" wrongs, be good in school and be kind to others, the goal should be that the child grows to love God. That looks different for every person and should be geared according to what's going on in that child's life and what's coming up. And sometimes, Christians just pile so called Christian values down the child's throat and make all the decisions for the child so that when they become "free," they rebel, not really being able to make the wise decision for themselves.<br/>So in the end, the only thing we can do is to live our own life in the fear of the Lord, dedicate our lives and our children to God and trust God that our children will become independent followers of Christ. I don’t really think any of these proverbs are necessarily what some call “promise” verses. They are not guarantees, but wise ways to live by. Life cannot be guaranteed to have certain outcomes just by following some formula or 12 steps, etc. But without some work towards the right path, with God’s help, the path left alone by itself is sure to be worse.
And that’s the point. If it were just a “do this” and this will happen, there would be no room for free will, human depravity, faith in God, evil workings in this world, a need of a Savior. There are other proverbs that talk about planning, etc., but it is still God who directs our steps! That is crazy to think about!
Another comment about “godly parents whose children just have no desire to follow the path that they have directed for them.” Sometimes a parents desire and what should be expected is quite different. Rather than desiring a child to never do the “big” wrongs, be good in school and be kind to others, the goal should be that the child grows to love God. That looks different for every person and should be geared according to what’s going on in that child’s life and what’s coming up. And sometimes, Christians just pile so called Christian values down the child’s throat and make all the decisions for the child so that when they become “free,” they rebel, not really being able to make the wise decision for themselves.
So in the end, the only thing we can do is to live our own life in the fear of the Lord, dedicate our lives and our children to God and trust God that our children will become independent followers of Christ.

]]> By: Whoosy Whatsy http://steveblumer.com/5/comment-page-1#comment-2 Whoosy Whatsy Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:30:00 +0000 http://steveblumer.com/?p=5#comment-2 Is this verse a 'promise', Steve? Does it mean that if my goal as a parent is to lead my child into a God centered life, that my child's life will turn out pleasing to the Lord? I certainly hope so.<br/><br/>But I struggle with this verse because I've known many godly parents whose children just have no desire to follow the path that they have directed for them. How does this verse fit into their lives? Is this verse a ‘promise’, Steve? Does it mean that if my goal as a parent is to lead my child into a God centered life, that my child’s life will turn out pleasing to the Lord? I certainly hope so.

But I struggle with this verse because I’ve known many godly parents whose children just have no desire to follow the path that they have directed for them. How does this verse fit into their lives?

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