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]]> By: sblumer http://steveblumer.com/self-punishment/comment-page-1#comment-166 sblumer Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:51:27 +0000 http://steveblumer.com/?p=194#comment-166 transferred from <a href="http://www.facebook.com/steveblumer:" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/steveblumer:</a>" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/steveblumer:</a></a> Steve, that's very interesting and thought provoking. Sounds like a great movie I'll have to look for and watch. Would you consider this same "glorified self sacrifice for the greater good of humanity" for soldiers in the war right now? I mean...that's what the men and women are doing abroad, but it's for the pursuit to correct what they didn't make wrong, though. It's a self discipline on the soldier's part, but imposed by society. I would really like to know and am not trying to illicit a heated debate... far from it. The war and soldiers in it are some issues I have difficulty understanding. Not the political but the moral aspect. transferred from <a href="http://www.facebook.com/steveblumer:” target=”_blank”>http://www.facebook.com/steveblumer:

Steve, that's very interesting and thought provoking. Sounds like a great movie I'll have to look for and watch.

Would you consider this same "glorified self sacrifice for the greater good of humanity" for soldiers in the war right now? I mean…that's what the men and women are doing abroad, but it's for the pursuit to correct what they didn't make wrong, though. It's a self discipline on the soldier's part, but imposed by society. I would really like to know and am not trying to illicit a heated debate… far from it. The war and soldiers in it are some issues I have difficulty understanding. Not the political but the moral aspect.

]]> By: sblumer http://steveblumer.com/self-punishment/comment-page-1#comment-173 sblumer Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:37:40 +0000 http://steveblumer.com/?p=194#comment-173 that's a tough one to talk about. I suppose you're asking about war in general from a moral aspect. The old testament is filled with battle and death by war. As the people of God pursued what God told them to do, outsiders resisted. Sometimes they asked God what to do and God told them to fight and He would ensure they won. Other times they just fought even without asking God. What's definite from all of this is that we live in a world of sin with people of sin as sinners ourselves. In the realm of Good and Evil, even in the spiritual realm, there are going to be battles. Is that the ideal? No. Paul in the New Testament talks about how we battle within ourselves and the forces of evil and that our battle is not even with flesh and blood. In the pursuit for justice and living for righteousness, there is conflict. I believe showing love and a calmness speaks loudly as well. But there's no doubt that even when those who stood up for Jesus, there are martyrs. I think we should try the love route and different techniques before we are quick to blast the opposing side. We need to make sure we are standing for something Godly and also put others before our own needs even when we are opposed to them. In the end, if there is battle against us, we might have to fight back. It's not necessarily a glorified self sacrifice for the great good of humanity rather it's a glorified self service for the greater God who cares for the greater good of humanity. And I not saying this is like muslims who are fighting a God War and that's what we should do, like some crusade. But perhaps more like a battle to end slavery or oppression. that's a tough one to talk about. I suppose you're asking about war in general from a moral aspect. The old testament is filled with battle and death by war. As the people of God pursued what God told them to do, outsiders resisted. Sometimes they asked God what to do and God told them to fight and He would ensure they won. Other times they just fought even without asking God. What's definite from all of this is that we live in a world of sin with people of sin as sinners ourselves. In the realm of Good and Evil, even in the spiritual realm, there are going to be battles. Is that the ideal? No.
Paul in the New Testament talks about how we battle within ourselves and the forces of evil and that our battle is not even with flesh and blood. In the pursuit for justice and living for righteousness, there is conflict. I believe showing love and a calmness speaks loudly as well. But there's no doubt that even when those who stood up for Jesus, there are martyrs.
I think we should try the love route and different techniques before we are quick to blast the opposing side. We need to make sure we are standing for something Godly and also put others before our own needs even when we are opposed to them. In the end, if there is battle against us, we might have to fight back. It's not necessarily a glorified self sacrifice for the great good of humanity rather it's a glorified self service for the greater God who cares for the greater good of humanity. And I not saying this is like muslims who are fighting a God War and that's what we should do, like some crusade. But perhaps more like a battle to end slavery or oppression.

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